{"id":943,"date":"2018-10-30T00:06:52","date_gmt":"2018-10-30T00:06:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/?p=943"},"modified":"2018-11-19T19:01:18","modified_gmt":"2018-11-19T19:01:18","slug":"attacking-the-stigma-on-murder-homes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/attacking-the-stigma-on-murder-homes\/","title":{"rendered":"Attacking the Stigma on \u2018Murder Homes\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Crime scenes make for good TV, but would you want to live in one?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Most people are looking for a scare this time of the year, what with Halloween creeping up on us. We pop in scary movies about ghosts, monsters and haunted houses. But, would you actually want to live in one?<\/p>\n<p>When it comes to buying real estate \u2014 and, it may seem like the last thing to worry about \u2014 how much do know about that home\u2019s past?<\/p>\n<p>A lot can happen in a home that can affect the value in a sale; from mildew and water issues to grow-ops and even murders.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-946\" src=\"https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1080\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper.png 1080w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-230x230.png 230w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-768x768.png 768w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-1024x1024.png 1024w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-600x600.png 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Barry Lebow, a specialist in stigma and agency matters, and contributor to the Real Estate Magazine wrote that <u><a href=\"https:\/\/www.remonline.com\/dealing-with-real-estate-stigma\/\">\u201cstigma is the effect that lingers after the cure.\u201d<\/a><\/u><\/p>\n<p>Stigma, Lebow says, can be real or perceived. This means that a home that is viewed negatively upon by neighbours and the community, such as a murder house, can be just as stigmatized and devalued as a home with a mould problem.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSometimes public opinion or word-of-mouth can result in the highest loss in value,\u201d he writes. \u201cOnce the community knows of a problem, from a murder in the house to a grow-op, the word is out.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Once that word is out, the home will be a tough sell for any agent<\/strong>. This may result in a reduced ticket price to a longer stint on the market. But, are Realtors and sellers required by law to disclose this kind of information to potential buyers?<\/p>\n<p>In the U.S. there are laws that require sellers to disclose whether there has been a suicide or a murder within a property, so long as the seller knows about such an incident within a three-year period.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, in Canada, the rules are vague. Lebow states that in Canada only Quebec has a murder disclosure law. CBC reports there are no laws that state disclosure is a must. Rather, the responsibility seems to fall on real estate organizations in charge of creating the code of conduct for the region\u2019s Realtors.<\/p>\n<p>The Ontario Real Estate Association (OREA), for instance, \u201ctakes the position that, \u2018when in doubt, disclose.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p><u><a href=\"https:\/\/www.orea.com\/News-and-Events\/Newsletters\/EDGE-Newsletters\/2016\/October\/Disclosure-and-stigmatized-properties\">\u201cRealtors are held to a higher standard than the general public and have an ethical obligation to disclose,\u201d Cassandra Agnew Walker, senior manager of standard forms, tells OREA. <\/a><\/u><\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhen in doubt, we suggest that OREA members disclose a stigma because it is better to be safe than sorry,\u201d she continues. \u201cIf a Realtor doesn\u2019t disclose a stigma, there may be a lawsuit or a complaint to RECO (Real Estate Council of Ontario) afterwards. Disclosure is a way to prevent that argument and hassle later on.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The Real Estate Council of Alberta states that it is up to the seller to decide whether or not to disclose a possible stigma to a potential buyer as they are not legally required to do so.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-947\" src=\"https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1080\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-1.png 1080w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-1-230x230.png 230w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-1-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-1-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-1-768x768.png 768w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-1-1024x1024.png 1024w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Dapper-1-600x600.png 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf a buyer asks you about possible stigma, and if you choose to answer, you must do so honestly,\u201d the website reads. \u201cYou cannot lie to potential buyers about stigma.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It also adds that the seller\u2019s real estate professional can\u2019t disclose that information without their permission either, so really, it falls on the shoulders of the seller.<\/p>\n<p>In the case of 11 Butler Crescent N.W., Calgary, for example, the seller decided to leave the stigma out of the listing. However, the stigma attached to this particular address is a pretty hefty one. This is the home where on April 15, 2014, then 22-year-old Matt de Grood was arrested after stabbing five young adults to death at a house party.<\/p>\n<p><u><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cbc.ca\/news\/canada\/toronto\/murder-suicide-home-sale-1.4540866\">Sylvia Santarelli of ReMax Hallmark Realty told the CBC in February<\/a><\/u> the value of a house will be affected if it was the location of a murder and covered in the news a lot. But, she says, the value will be affected \u201cin the sense of there might be less people bidding on the homes.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><u><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ctvnews.ca\/canada\/brentwood-home-site-of-calgary-s-worst-mass-murder-sells-for-425k-1.2003753\">The Brentwood house in Calgary, however, sold only two months after it was put on the market. <\/a><\/u>That was only four months after the city\u2019s worst mass murder. It was purchased by a young 23-year-old man for $425,000 who knew of the tragedy that occurred within the home, but he wanted to buy it back for the community. Help rid it of some of that stigma, sort of.<\/p>\n<p>He purchased the home for $64,000 under the asking price and said he would leave the memorial for the five lives lost standing in the front yard.<\/p>\n<p>So, ultimately, most stigmatized homes sell. They do. But how can you sell them?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-948\" src=\"https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Copy-of-Dapper.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1080\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Copy-of-Dapper.png 1080w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Copy-of-Dapper-230x230.png 230w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Copy-of-Dapper-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Copy-of-Dapper-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Copy-of-Dapper-768x768.png 768w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Copy-of-Dapper-1024x1024.png 1024w, https:\/\/rankmyagent.com\/realestate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/Copy-of-Dapper-600x600.png 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Although there is no law saying stigmas must be disclosed, sometimes it\u2019s best to go with the \u201cbetter safe, than sorry\u201d mentality.<\/p>\n<p>After all, Realtors are looking after the best interests of their clients, whether they are representing the buyers or the sellers. If there is a possibility of trouble being uprooted after the sale is closed, the Realtor representing the seller would (most likely) recommend disclosing stigmas associated with the house to prevent future issues.<\/p>\n<p>As a buyer, it\u2019s important to do thorough research on the property. Google it, search for the address in local news websites.<\/p>\n<p>And be clear while speaking with your Realtor. Let them know what stigmas you would be comfortable with, and which are absolute dealbreakers. Perhaps living near a graveyard would be OK, but living in a home that was a former grow-op \u2014\u00a0even though it has been cleaned and cleared up to code \u2014\u00a0is an absolute no-go.<\/p>\n<p>But keen-stigma buyers must keep in mind that they may not \u201cscoring\u201d that deal they think they might be by purchasing a home with history. Most times the home is listed for the same market value it\u2019s worth as long as the stigma associated with the home does not harm health, safety or security of future owners and residents.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Crime scenes make for good TV, but would you want to live in one? Most people are looking for a scare this time of the year, what with Halloween creeping up on us. We pop in scary movies about ghosts, monsters and haunted houses. But, would you actually want to live in one? 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